Name-calling may be helpful for ones spleen but simply serves to delegitimize the important arguments taking place here. It also means that even the holiest of the anointed pastors and fathers, are not the paragons of virtue they must be for patriarchal/FIC theology to create the perfect world it promises. a thing belonging to God . As per People, the two exchanged vows in front of 250 loved ones in Albany, Georgia, under an oak tree. Its not following Jesus or loving God and loving your neighbor, rather, its having the proper kind of hate for fellow human beings who happen not to be heterosexual. I believe ultimately people will be able to hear her cries, wipe her tears, and stand in solidarity. Sexual abuse is an attack on the core of a person and it creates shock and massive confusion. And then we have semi Arian and even Arianism rearing its head. Havoc and mayhem *inevitably* followed her. But that doesnt bother him (unless hes caught at it) because he much prefers wit to wisdom. http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/22.011.00.html. (dandy, fop): dude, dood The kind of thinking that victims have somehow participated or asked for it has been more common than not in the past; but if you find yourself thinking such things, please do some in-depth reading on the subject. And its not funny, not one bit. Lets put them in our prayers. This is about the widespread perception that there is impending chaos and destruction and people want themselves / their people / their group / their religion / their way of life to be what survives. Were at a nasty low but US Christianity is still here and itll pop up/out again. She was duped by a cad, and believed his teachings a promises (the worst of which has to be that his wife was going to die soon. It would look like an army of insects was attacking the suburbs. Ty 4 geography lesson! This particular case is complicated. some complementarians are now campaigning for the return of head-coverings for women. 2. of the instrument used to accomplish a thing, by, by means of, when followed by the genitive case, is instrumental, e.g., 2Pe 3:6, RV, by which means (AV, whereby), http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1223&t=KJV. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. You have integrity. He offers a dangerous and demeaning theology that has enormous appeal to men with fragile egos and weak self esteem. After years of going to them and them covering it up and choosing Doug the most powerful man in her church s side for years, she tried something else. I fully support Phillips victim. I am accustomed to speaking my mind at work and at home. She is not telling the truth. Moderately unrelated comment, but I just had to share this: Was trying to find a specific D.A. (For instance, see the description on Amazon for *The Search for the Perfect Language* by Umberto Eco.). Yes, you and I (a woman) were on the same board. The specific terminology, however, is condescending and offensive, and is frequently intended to be just that. Please.Give this woman a medal!! Wilson loves inside jokeshis own group knows the context and he makes those jokes for them. Anonymous, FYI on the last TWW thread from last week on Douglas Philips, Esq. It cannot be disputed that Phillips did in fact have an affair, because he admitted it himself. One more thing to add to todays gratitude list, then, that you have not had extensive experience (in my case, perhaps 30+ years, depending on how I categorize a few experiences, now that I understand this kind of pathology) with BOTH the sick pastors, and the people who continue to follow them, even in the face of very twisted, screwy tendencies. She has won, no matter the outcome of the lawsuit. 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. She was a little girl in WWII. The question is in the division between definition of the the church and the family. Ty for your conversation here. We celebrated Mozarts bday every year lol He also loved being horrid. And arent those key elements of the sociopaths character? When someone is not just caught up in a cult (patriarchy), but is one of its chief apologists, the need to justify is unquenchable and the gymnastics required are manifold. We are distinctly aware how this ideology infantalizes women and children (and sometimes the young men). Hes lived a lavish lifestyle and basked in the glow of heaps of praise and applause in honor of His Great Goodness and Beneficence. . Sovereign Grace Ministries Its kind of like getting stopped by a police officer who claims you were going 45 mph on a 30 mph zone. Fundies so love a good redemption arc. For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.. Back 30+ years ago, I saw some of my friends harmed by the malignancy of his ministries based in legalism, perfectionism, and authoritarianism. Jamie Otis and Doug Hehner tied the knot on March 23, 2014, during the shooting of Season 1 of Married at First Sight. Awesome analogy!!! No argument here Patrice. His selection caused quite a stir, as explained in this article Gimme That Old Spice Religion. But once again, bringing it back to Mr. Wilson as apparently is the nature of how all things must (hopefully) eventually go, at least in his mini-cosmos of Moscow I have two concluding thoughts. It just seems that we are dealing with more extreme theological views on the right of theological spectrum without a careful basis in scripture: family versus church, and procreation versus pleasurable aspect of sex with some kind of family planning being acceptable; or patriarchy versus more egalitarian view on women in the church. "Given that, either his sexual attentions were entirely unwelcome, or they were not. Wilson, rather, studied H.L. Its only one of many victim stereotypes that Ive encountered, nearly all of which infantilise the target (not the usual word but I prefer it to victim). I think if it were me, trying the case in the court of public opinion would hardly be satisfying anyway. So I guess he really is on the perps side? My sympathies to you. (not to go off-topic of anything). even though thats exactly what Vision Forum/patriarchy does and we have mountains of testimony to that effect from girls raised in the system. Hes not worth the time for us to consider him, akin to going online to condemn David Duke, whats the use? Do you mean by the ultimate Judge or the ultimate earthly judge-the courts? Stay tuned! We dont search out flaws in this way for, say, people whove lost all in a tornado. Jamie Otis and Doug Hehner are far from perfect. This issue is just such a difficult one to discuss, and I grew up in constant chaos and bickering (alcoholic home, live at home sexual perpetrator, almost out of a Lifetime Movie) so I have low tolerance for constant disagreement and misunderstanding. In fact, it looks like there was some kind of confrontation once a year minimum in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013. Yes, charisma is too limited to be universally appealing because it is limited by the individual carrying it. And, thankfully, the backlash to Wilson has been vehement and loud and sustained enough, particularly from his close neighbors in his small town who actually know enough about him, to all but neuter this old bull. Doug Phillips offers a very personal look at the aftermath of the tornadoes that ravaged our state on April 27, 2011. I am plain not fancy. Yes I believe that there are non-addicts who can use the Bible to help addicts, but only with a certain gift (humility helps), much training, much experience, and a good way to help the addict feel empowered. It includes the following in reference to Doug Phillips: Key to Chanceys victory were the efforts of both his wife, who nominated him, and an entrepreneur named Doug Phillips, an important figure in the homeschooling movement, and his large family and network of supporters. family versus church, and procreation versus pleasurable sex. Nonetheless we are confident and thankful that he will never extinguish the light of the Gospel which is proclaimed with every breath of the folks who follow Wartburg Watch. Yes, I had not thought of that, but it fits right in. She was an adult, and so if his attentions were not entirely unwelcome, she was a player in the vice, not a victim. Marie2 wrote: Can we just say he us the Patriarchal David Duke of the Hyper Reformed camp.With his racist views maybe he can run for Idaho Governor. For some reason people like to heap backhanded praise upon their enemies in this culture: I may disagree with X, he may be quite dangerous, but hes quite a [fill in praise here]. ), @ Patrice: Not boycotting him at the moment. Learn How rich is He in this year and how He spends money? hope youre enjoying the coffee in the moderation cafe!! Maybe we can discuss all the other concoctions in your article over coffee sometime. However, I do feel obliged to say we are lonely voices in the wilderness. Not meaning to diminish those at all. But becoming evangelicalisms new apologist does not change the kinds of biological vestiges our priestly and bloody ancestors have bequeathed to this valiant defender of Gods rule and crown. 581 posts. Sadly, these are only the ones that are scandals. Things dont always turn out as one thought. For privacy reasons, I will not be naming the church, but it's important to note the kind of church he and his family is now attending. Yoopers come from above the bridge, referring to the Mackinac Bridge, which separates upper Michigan from lower Michigan. The woman was 15 when she met Phillips in 1999 through her parents' involvement in the homeschooling movement. Im hoping that even if the court doesnt decide in favor of Lourdes, her bravery will cause others to rise and speak out against this unjust and unbiblical system that Doug W. and Stacy M promote and defend. And those who are contentious often seem to be unable to separate that from spewing contempt. I am trying to keep my distance for most of this, having my own dissociation daily battle, and I greatly admire this woman for coming forward. Woman is the glory of the man. 1 Corinthians 11:7, The KJV translates Strongs G1391 in the following manner: glory (145x), glorious (10x), honour (6x), praise (4x), dignity (2x), worship (1x), in the NT always a good opinion concerning one, resulting in praise, honour, and glory, magnificence, excellence, preeminence, dignity, grace, majesty Phillips had left the church in July. Twin border cities; Sault Ste Marie, Ontario, Canada and Sault Ste Marie, Michigan, U.S.A. Includes Address(7) Phone(7) Email(2) See Results. I DO believe that the strength of a victims testimony can put a perp away for a long time. But then again, maybe Im just too stupid to grasp the workings of such a magnificent mind. Wilsons charisma carries a threat of violence which is titillating for many people, I think. Men are in control at all cost? Doug Wilson is a misogynistic moron. My guess is she wants to go to trial. I have been working on a book on his allosaur theft and I can assure you Christian mediation with a non-Christian dishonest man does not work. Probably wont until the Big Box is over. To quote a favorite blog of mine on the subject of pictures such as Chanceys in active- or post-conflict zones: it demonstrates a creepy, White Mans Burden-y saviour complex.. Doug and Jackie's wedding wouldn't be the wildest moment of their relationship. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. Ive read that there are some cultural divides between northern and southern ID i.e., that the wingnut percentage of the population is bigger up north. A church that covers up sexual abuse of anyone (child or adult) is no body of Christ, it is as the Pharisee run temple of Jesus day and the Pharisees were always publicly rebuked by Jesus. My main fear for Torres case is not that the situation will be viewed as an affair gone sour, but that the jury will not adequately grasp how cultic BCA was/is. Yes, Phillip Schofield is still married to his wife Stephanie. Unless someone can find a complete disavowal, though, the implications in that monograph are frightening. Thank you for standing up to this blustering bully. (*spit*). Sproul. So how do we teach our daughters to be submissive but also strong? But that says more about the person using the term than it does about the term itself. It is kind of interesting that more theologically conservative baptists are concerned about this trend: http://www.faith.edu/resources/publications/faith-pulpit/popup/text/print/842. pcapastor have you been in touch with Metzler directly? They do in PORN. Pingback: Lourdes Torres-Manteufel vs Doug Phillips Lawsuit Informational Resource Page | Spiritual Sounding Board. Im sure the consistency will help her case. But to describe Vision Forum as conservative does not tell the half of it. And what will they do then? What happened? I dont really keep up with these groups, but it is interesting and sad to read about them. Reading the Wartburg Watch, is for me, like going to Meeting. Love the iron sharpening iron at this site, and the love which builds up.. There may be quite a few comments under this post. This is about the widespread perception that there is impending chaos and destruction and people want themselves / their people / their group / their religion / their way of life to be what survives. Guess what? He also wouldnt want to offend the dear ladies tender ears with terms like perv and lech. Carson article on the Gospel Coalition website, and I saw a prominently placed ad for this website on the right side of the page: stands for Upper Peninsula, as opposed to the lower peninsula of Michigan. @ BeenThereDoneThat: Never once. Oh, yeah, that makes total sense, Patrice. We are finally gaining a window into a what I believe is a sad, sad demonstration of patriarchal Christianity. Also known as Douglas James Phillips, D J Phillips. She is NOT to blame. So here goes: I think that there is a good chance that things will indeed get worse (more primitive) and there will be at least some level of drastic changes (chaos?) of infused identity runs out, or contains a slow drip to an eventually toxic dose of poison, the lifeline to personal meaning will be gone. Secondly, his question, even if his first premise actually was correct, sets up a false dichotomy. In a situation like that, the word victim is appropriate. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, First Whackadoo in the Chickfila Bathroom. ALL things. . Rawles remembers Wilsons birthday here: The word sweet needs to be taken out of our vocabulary when used to describe a grown woman. The woman and the man both belong to God, equally. An astounding proportion of pastors are reported to use porn regularly, and I would be highly surprised if Doug Phillips was exempt. It goes to show, some people can often perceive the truth before full evidence is manifested. Rob a man of everything and that man will no longer be in your power.. @ Beakerj: He is from . Eve is the same substance as Adam bone of his bone, flesh of his flesh. I appreciate the early fights that were fought by the Amish and Christians like these to firmly and formerly establish what ought to be obvious the parents have the right to determine the course of education for their children, including teaching them at home. In Gods economy, the down-trodden with get their day in court. Yesterday Farris released his white paper A Line in the Sand, where he criticized both Doug Phillips and Bill Gothard, saying, The philosophies of Gothard and Phillips damage people in multiple ways. The white paper got the attention of both WORLD Magazine and Shawn Mathis at the Examiner. http://spiritualsoundingboard.com/2014/03/29/attempting-to-set-the-doug-phillips-record-straight-part-3-the-timeline/. I will tell the moderation Barista to order more tea 4 ya..Dear Hubby says that its herbal beverage cuz theres no actual tea . While we did not know each other in a Biblical sense, it was nevertheless inappropriately romantic and affectionate., Calls to Vision Forum Ministries were not returned. The nurse, who appeared on the first season of the Lifetime series Married at First Sight in 2014, married Doug Hehner having only met him for the first time at their wedding. God is not on the side of the unrighteous judges like Doug Wilson and Stacy McDonald. I am a Quaker. I mean, that shtick is straight out of a porn flick! he much prefers wit to wisdom ), you can never completely shed that image. But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. A case in point was the recent interview of Piper on the question of why we love March madness NCAA basketball. And we need to learn how to do all that whether we are the potential perp or the potential victim or some combination of both perp and victim. ok, I just dissociated when I proofread I forgot what I meant here, maybe something along the lines of lose their basic recall abilities. I cant imagine how her children are processing all of this and what she is teaching her children, daughters and sons, with her actions or lack of actions. Justin Taylor and The Gospel Coalition, Christianity Today, Ligonier Ministries, etc.) For another, a boyfriend doesnt ejaculate onto his girlfriend while she cries and asks him to stop. You say that you were only going at most 30.5 mph and not 45 mph. Doug Wilson is deranged. burntnorton wrote: Or does he think like this? 202 McDaniel Street PO Box 351 Monroe, Georgia 30655 fbcmonroe.com OFFICE HOURS 8:30am-5:00pm Monday-Thursday 8:30am-1:00pm Friday Office 770-267-5904 Fax 770-207-7383 Lourdes, at the minimum, has set off a bomb which will have long standing repercussions. Sally is not currently married, but she was previously married to ex-husband Andrew Bermejo. Its still considered sexual assault. Apparently this was such a relationship. Actually, I take it back gotta get a few more things off my chest before I drop it. Its partly why they are very agriculturally based. You nailed it! @ May: Doug Phillips, a native of nearby New Middletown, Ohio, has been named the Head Football Coach at Youngstown State University, Executive Director of Intercollegiate Athletics Ron Strollo announced on Friday. Where is Doug Phillips who is a tool. Did all Christians wear cloth on their head to church up to the 20th century? I pray that this woman gets justice, in whatever form she needs. He also worked for six years as the lawyer for the Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA). (Remember Seven Brides for Seven Brothers? I imagine Doug got the idea from porn, too. I continue to believe that this whole thing should be sorted through by Christians, with a view to our testimony before a watching world. It is used mainly by residents of lower Michigan and Wisconsin. I might buy one. Not really. Late Victorian terminology. Another theological innovation is the integrated family church. @ Rosmary Huskey: What happened? I noticed today that the frontman of Jars of Clay, Dan Haseltine, is being kicked out of Christianity farewell Rob Bell style by some because he came out in favor of gay marriage. Somehow I missed the letter of compassion and concern for my family this year. If thats not what they meant to convey, then theyre doing a terrible job of communicating. If only people would get the correct working logic to process life perfectly, and then imbibe the apparently inerrant inputs of his biblical intepretations, they would come to the same [brilliant] conclusions as does Mr. Wilson. Anyone who would come to his defense Id alsoconsider the functional equivalent of Neo-Nazi, or, in the alternative, an utter fool considering the defense would be of a man whos position on such matters is available for all to see. But sexual deviant and predator are better. Its all very high school that way. Phillips was formerly an attorney for Home School Legal Defense Association. The charisma, thats another matter. Phillips justified his behavior to Torres, the lawsuit claims, by telling her that he had intentions to marry her and that his wife, Beall, "was going to die soon." After her death, Torres could marry Phillips and "she would be the person who would have the great privilege of being his wife." The cults of Bill Gothard and Doug Phillips. I sent my oldest daughter off to Cedarville University and my second daughter off to Romania as a missionary. He neglected to hear the church. I wouldn't be surprised to see him come back. . I know you agree. Wilson could care less whether or not he added anything to the apologetic arsenal for Christians that out live him; he or at least an important part of his unconscious mind would burn the entire thing to the ground for some more camera clicks, some more glory, and some higher seats for the males that have sprung from his loins or married within the clan. 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