I was truly shocked when I watched it. Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot concedes defeat, Southern California home sales fall to all-time low, Denver just got a direct flight to this Caribbean island known for music history and vegetarian cooking, NYC Mayor Adams dismisses need to separate church and state, declares himself a servant of God, Zero-calorie sweetener linked to heart attack and stroke, study finds, Do Not Sell/Share My Personal Information. Right, right. And thus the decision from which all else followed. Cookie Notice KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. I had NO idea what the outcome was going to be. killed herself and Zachary in a murder-suicide. IE 11 is not supported. Andrew Bagby is murdered in the US by a woman who was angry that he broke up with her. "We never expected it. More than a month passed before Turner was finally arrested in Canada on December 21 but, within hours she was out on bail until she could be extradited to the US. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. As the Bagbys settled into their renewed life, Turner pursued an appeal of her November jailing. Well written from the heart and to the point. (Photos of David and Kate with Zachary; Shirley being escorted from court). He said, `What can happen?'. There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. ', KATE: He's so loved. He, consumed by anger. the water. They had tapped into their retirement accounts to get by. Shirley. Dear Abby: Why do they imply my husband is a freak? David and Kate Bagby,shown in this 2004 file photo. But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. Not too long ago? Memorial University Medical School. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. Change is slow. The Bagbys could scarcely believe. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. Once David completed his engineering degree, the Bagbys were intent on starting a family. Cpl. KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. The movie had me in tears and in rage all at once. Absolutely riveting.i couldn't put it down, and was completely draw in and addicted. MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. What terrible conditions he came into this world under, Kate says. Being from Newfoundland,I was well aware of the happenings in this book as they were happening. Andrew Bagby was studying at Memorial University medical school in Newfoundland when he met Turner, a fellow medical student 12 years his senior. Father murdered. ", Get email updates with the day's biggest stories. I didnt know Americans could quote Shakespeare.'. If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. MORRISON: Shirley also claimed to have been at home in Iowa, sick in bed the day of the murder. Go away.'. Kate has also moved on,according to her Instagram. They were in kind of a basement apartment with second-hand furniture. I didn't have. He just lit up when he saw Kate, David says. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. But I used to look at her hand and think, it. Nor do the memories, starting with the Nov. 6, 2001, phone call. After seeing the documentary about this case, "Dear Zachary," I was itching to get my hands on this book. I couldn't see the point anymore. He said, `The psychotic bitch. Yes,they were innocent as well, but I feel it takes a big person to rise abouve it all and not harbour animosity towards those people. So intense, horrifying, and yet inspired by the love and devotion of Andrews parents and their dedication to raise and teach their one and only sweet grandson. I agree whole heartedly, that things need to change. Kurt Kuenne created the movie as a kind of big-screen scrapbook to immortalize Andrew Bagby, one of his best friends from childhood. If one thinks the American justice system is slow moving and against the victim most times, then one should encounter the Canadian justice system. The legal system helped her kill Zachary. Wasn't anybody willing to step up(besides the Bagbys) and try to rescue that baby?? 1 Photo. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. The two also had trust issues they were trying to overcome on Temptation Island,as they had both cheated on their previous partners. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their . children, who had recently been in a bad car accident. And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. Please try again. It could spare other families the rage and pain suffered by the couple since the murder of their grandson, Zachary, at the hands of his mother in Newfoundland. To calculate the overall star rating and percentage breakdown by star, we dont use a simple average. He was like Andrew. And now it's just. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. I'll never understand why. They recorded them. As far as Andrew was concerned, the relationship was a fling nothing serious. That woman then escapes to Canada while evidence against her is gathering, and then she has his baby while the extradition process drags on. It was time for the Bagbys to join Turner and baby Zachary on outings to the local pool. By this stage, he had moved to a new job in the US. A well written memoir by a father who son was murdered by an ex-girlfriend that was pregnant with his son's child. The couple's long fight for legal changes in Canada ended Wednesday with a new law. She was living with another nurse and her parents, who had also emigrated from England. You never know whats going to make you sit and cry for the day.. He was beautiful and looked just like Andrew. That is not a spoiler, as it is on the back of the book. get in there, if that's what she demanded. For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. His parents were ecstatic. MORRISON: What was it like to hear that she was going to get out of prison? (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. murderer in check. The reason we go through the lawyers is so that we. A judge ruled that Turner's detention was not in the public interest and released her on bail. Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. kind of the only way that this little boy is going to get to know his dad. Shirley. Time to keep marching, as David says, in order to be there for their grandson. It is a cry for change in the Canadian justice system that allowed his sons killer to roam free. After all the backlash he received for his behavior, however, his decision to step away from the spotlight isn't surprising. We. True, heartbreaking story of a son's disastrous love relationship and the son his murderer bore. Shirley Turner, a 40-year-old mother of three and Andrew's on-off girlfriend, had fled a bloodstained scene littered with incriminating evidence. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. On November 3, 2001, he broke up with Turner at the airport before putting her on a plane back to Council Bluffs, 1,300 miles away. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. Shortly after Andrew's death, his friend Kurt Kuenne had started to a make a documentary about the murder, asking friends and family to share their memories of Andrew. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. MORRISON: The ammunition used to kill Andrew was CCI .22 caliber bullets. While they could not have foreseen the murder or their son, Andrew, they did everything they could to keep their grandson, Zachery, safe. Shockingly, despite everything that happened both on and after the show, Kate and David made another go of it. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. I saw the documentaryand I am speechless. Their year-old grandson was killed by his mother in Newfoundland while she was out on bail awaiting an extradition decision. will not hurt Zachary, period. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. This attracted the needy and insecure Turner to him. Eventually, David and Kate broke up for good. Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. Mr. SHEARS: I thought they were great with him. Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. MORRISON: You didn't seriously think of--I mean, you talk about this plan Mr. BAGBY: Absolutely. Tragically, this is proven exactly right when she kills Zachary. Here the grandparents are making nice with the woman they believe killed their, son. His arguments towards the refusal of parole for alleged murderers is superb and really shows how idiotic the laws can be. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. By the time they arrived at Turner's house, Zachary was asleep and Kate and David prepared to leave. Do you feel all right about putting, MORRISON: Safe and warm inside the Bagby house, as the gales of a, Newfoundland winter raged outside, the inevitable happened. Even though I knew the outcome, the day the main incident occurs, I was still shocked when the pages finally reveal the events that lead up to that day. Mackenzie is particularly fond of Survivor, which she has been watching ever since she was born. (Trailer park; parking lot; water; Kurt on boat; excerpts from "Dear Zachary"; houses seen through rainy window; Kate and Zachary). Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' The show takes four couples who are having trouble in their relationship and separates them from one another. We finally got a baby.. She appealed and a hearing was set for September 2003. MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. Now, she sucked us in here, too. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. A tale of sorrow and survival. The documentary was also made with the intention of being given to Andrew's son Zachary to explain the full story of his family. David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. Like everyone elses mom, I guess.. This story is about how the justice system in Canada failed the Bagby's -- not only when it comes to extraditing the murderer of their only son, but in aiding the murder of their only grandchild, Zachary -- their last living link to their son. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. . Ultimately, the Bagbys desire to be with Zachary, the one they loved the most, required them to cooperate with Turner, the one they despised the most. KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. Kate, the compassionate nurse with the unshakable religious faith. Then, even if the court orders extradition, Canadas federal justice minister must decide whether to hand over the fugitive to U.S. authorities. One of Davids shipmates knew the parents of Kates friend well and he knew Kate and her friend were anxious to see the sights. KATE: So this man said to me, `Do you know that Shirley Turner's pregnant with your son's child? 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